william
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posted on 11-22-2002 at 19:08 |
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All these ladies on the internet look like models
All these ladies on the internet look like models. They can’t ALL be that beautiful. How do you know if they’re for real?
William G.
from Boise Id.
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Larry
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posted on 11-22-2002 at 19:30 |
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Picked the wrong girl
Looks like I totally picked the wrong girl. Now what?
Larry from San Francisco crying in his beer
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Kenny
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posted on 11-22-2002 at 19:34 |
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HELP!
I gave a tour company a deposit and then heard some bad things about that company. How can I get my money back. HELP!
Kenny from Spokane
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tbochene
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posted on 11-25-2002 at 17:23 |
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Hi William- Yeah I know what yo mean. When I first got started I thought the same thing. Truthfully most guys put too much imortance on the photo, and the bio information. The trick is just to mail a whole bunch of letters, maybe a hundred or so, and see what their answer is and how does the next picture look But most of what you need to know will be in that first letter. Good luck
Tony B.
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ken
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posted on 12-03-2002 at 19:40 |
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get you money back
If you used a credit card you can charge it back. Contact the tour company, a reputible company will refund your money as long as you do it at least 30 days before the tour. By the way who is the company?
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John
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posted on 12-03-2002 at 20:58 |
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Some simple things to watch out for
We have come up with a list of 10 ways that, if followed, will help protect you from unethical women and/or agencies. The following information is of a general nature, based on our experience and client comments, and is not intended to describe any one particular agency.
1. Use caution with sites/agencies that allow you to post your profile on-line and receive E-mails from apparently interested women, which you must then pay for in order to open. We have received numerous complaints about these types of services. Generally, the services typically work with many smaller Russian/Ukrainian agencies that are normally paid a fee for each E-mail that is opened, and each E-mail sent. Many of the complaining clients claim that the inherent problem with such sites is the built in motivation for the men to open as many letters as possible from the women, the more letters that are opened the more money that these smaller agencies will make. We have had complaints that agencies would send women’s letters to men, without the woman’s permission, simply to collect the extra commissions. In some cases the agency itself may simply be writing the letters and sending them out to hundreds of different men, hoping for responses. We suggest that, prior to ever using such a service, you call the main agency and ask what safeguards, if any, they have in place to assure you of the legitimacy of the letters and photos being sent from the smaller foreign agencies. You should also insist on the woman's personal contact information, i.e. home address and/or telephone number, after the very first contact so you are not forced to continue paying for each correspondence.
2. You should always beware of any unsolicited E-mails you receive, even if you have posted your profile information on-line with one or more of the services discussed in #1 above. Keep in mind that the vast majority of foreign women in the FSU, Latin America, etc. are not surfing the Internet with a laptop and DSL connection in their home! Most of the women do not have access or have very limited access to the Internet. In the West we want everything instantly, and we want our communication with these women to be instant, a fact which unethical companies can use to their advantage.
3. Beware of women who will not disclose their personal information to you, either address, E-mail, or phone number. Normally they are corresponding through an agency and, for whatever reason, will not disclose their contact info. This usually means that the man must pay for each contact that is made.
4. Beware of women who come on very strong in their first one or two letters, telling you that they love you, want to come see you, etc. etc. Although international dating tends to progress faster than domestic dating, an "I Love You" within the first letter or two may spell trouble.
5. Beware of women who ask for money for any reason whatsoever. You should immediately report these women to the agency. The amount may seem very small, however she may be requesting that same amount from 20 to 100 people.
6. Beware of women who want you to travel, and pay for them to travel, to a neutral place right away to meet them.
7. Beware of women who tell you that they can obtain a tourist visa. They may say they can obtain the visa for a certain amount of money and ask you to send the money (see#6)
8. Beware of women to whom you are writing that seem unavailable to meet you face to face when you are ready to travel. The excuse given might be something to do with some personal matter, a sudden illness of a family member, or numerous emergency scenarios.
9. When dealing with agencies, check their BBB report, ask for references, and ask how much media attention the company has had. These are all good ways to determine if the agency is legitimate.
10. Trust your instincts. One of the main reasons that a small fraction of women and agencies are able to operate unethically is that many men ignore the warning signs. It's not that they are stupid or particularly naďve; it is because they truly want to believe in what the woman is saying. Whenever there are emotions involved there is a greater risk of fraud. Those emotions can range from love, sorrow, greed, etc, etc. Unfortunately, there are and always will be predators who are willing to capitalize on people who are experiencing one or more of those emotions.
We hope this list has helped, and has given you some insight into some possible problems. Remember, the vast majority of women are sincere and really searching for someone special with whom they can share their life. Please do not look at every foreign woman or every agency with a jaundiced eye. Just keep the points we mentioned above in mind and you should have no problem avoiding unethical women and or agencies. If you have any questions, or experiences of your own that you would like to share, please e-mail us at john@loveme.com
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BigLarry
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posted on 12-03-2002 at 21:52 |
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Anastasia Web Busted
I knew it was only a matter of time until I caught Anastasia web in another deceptive practice. The letters that they send to us from the women on thier website are not sent to us because they have seen our profiles and are genuinely interested in us, but rather cynically sent out by you to generate expensive letters using your service.
I can prove it because they sent me a letter from a woman doctor from the Ukraine. Unbeknownst to then I flew that woman into Kiev in December. Her come on letter generated by Anastasia spam machine to generate fees will get them the Attorney General Investigation that you so justly deserve.
Why can't they just run an honest service? Is that asking too much?
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ken
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posted on 12-11-2002 at 10:36 |
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A Foreign Affair tour update 12/10/2002 Saint petersbrug
25 Guys 8 engagements so far, still several days left. more than 200 girls each social, three social plus.
MTV filmed the socials and tour, should be broadcasting it around January 15th on MTV I will keep you posted. For the UK Groovy Films is doing a 8 part special, keep an eye open for it.
Photo from the right: Kenneth Agee(AFA) Producers Peter (MTV), Elena Agee (AFA) Roseangel and Jenneifer assiant producers(MTV), Lean and Paul of Groovy Films.
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fredo
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posted on 01-17-2003 at 12:34 |
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anastasia
agree.
Bride.ru seems to be ok. Some of the ladies aren't.
On Anastasia I often get a reply that doesn't match well with what I sent. Seems like the ladies who do the translating edit a lot, or just make it up.
Usual safeguards. I ask for address and stuff first letter. then I send a letter via USPost. I put in a self addressed envelope. If no reply in a while. Dump that one.
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John Pido
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posted on 02-06-2003 at 14:56 |
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Advice ????
Can any of you guys give me your thoughts please:
I recently have been dealing with women from the Ukraine via "anastasia". In particular one absolutely gorgeous women. She is very interested she writes (I contacted her first and she responded). She provided her mailing address and asked me to send her a letter with my address, phone, and E-mail. (she said she couldn't provide her phone because it was against the rules of the agency and I could only buy it through the agency............and I understand that).
I have to admit that I am for the most part an attractive (40 years young), professional man with alot to offer such a sweet girl. But, especially after seeing the postings on your site, I am very wary of being "scammed". Although, I realize that with all of the men who probably use anastasia, their are ALWAYS going to be some malcontents.
I did send her a letter (2-5 day mail)......now what should I look for as far as positive or negative signs ??? Is anastasia reputable for the most part or are there many complaints regarding their services ???
Any advice, help, or insight ANYONE can provide would be greatly appreciated !!!!
Thank You,
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Dakota_Ridge
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posted on 02-06-2003 at 15:36 |
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With Love from Voronezh
I thought I'd post something on my experiences with this agency. I'm doing this reluctantly, but I've had a consistent enough experience over a period of about 9 or 10 weeks, and I want to make others aware of what I went through. I would not go so far as accusing this agency of being an outright "scam agency," although anything is possible. To make a long story short, there are very eccentric people in the world who have an axe to grind and this anger will sometimes prompt them to do the strangest things in order to vent itself. What's going on with this agency may or may not be in line with that - it isn't my place to decide that; I only know that the things I've experienced have been very consistent with it. But that doesn't automatically make it true. It may or may not be the case. I have never had any financial problems with WLFV, and I've never had any reason to question that the women I was writing to were real or that their replies were fabricated. Again, anything is possible - I've never had any proof that the women I was writing to were real either. Anyway the problem I've had has been very consistent: I can't keep communications going steadily, and things have formed a very consistent pattern. They have a policy of "free first contact," which is always a huge plus. This is email, not snail mail, and in both cases it took ten full days to receive a reply to my two first contacts. The reason given was "we were moving the office from England to Voronezh." Okay, I can live with that, now things are stable, no more problem, right? Wrong. Things are set up to where all letters for all clients have to go through the owner. And he's out more than he's in. After the move, it was more than a week visiting the UK to where availability was slim to none. A week or so after that it was "5 days out of commission to go to whatever city to renew the visa." Now for the fourth time contact is cut without notice. In the case of both women I was writing to, the letters went EXTREMELY well. They were responsive and as receptive to me as I could have asked for. There were plenty of questions, etc. Everything looked great. And in both cases, exactly when things reached the point where I was ready to fly out there and visit, contact was cut "by the women" with no explanation, no reason, no warning. If this happens once, I'd figure I just picked a woman with issues to write to. But now it's happened twice, exactly the same way both times. No explanation is ever given; they just stop writing. Actually it's the third event; the second time it was claimed that my last reply to a woman was lost and after three weeks (during which time I found it strange that she never contacted the agency to find out what happened to me) it was only then figured out that this was the case. Now contact has been cut a third time and this time I was able to verify that my last reply did reach the woman. So we have a totally consistent pattern here. With this agency, you just can't keep communications going, either with the women or with the agency. They keep disappearing and blowing you off, meanwhile you're out however many dollars you've spent and it's all wasted money. I'm completely convinced that if I were to write to ten other women through this agency, I would get the exact same outcome ten more times. It's a totally consistent pattern. So if you ever consider writing to one of their women, remember that this was my experience and look for the signs. On the surface they are very reputable and very responsible; their prices are very good and they appear to be extremely professional. But I ended up like a car trying to go uphill in a snowstorm - I keep spinning my wheels, go a few feet then slide backward. I just can't build up any momentum to get anywhere. In this case, $70 was put into getting nothing but a lot of anxiety and frustration and stress. During this latest disappearance I'm just letting them go; I'm not chasing them down anymore, I just have to realize what I'm dealing with and take the loss. Maybe the next person will have a different experience, but this was mine. Something to keep in mind.
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Dakota_Ridge
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posted on 02-06-2003 at 16:00 |
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Hi John,
It takes the average person about 5 minutes of research to learn all about Anastasia Web. I tend to be the aggressive type; I don't let circumstances control my life, so I had a little bit of a different result with them. I posted my profile (before I knew any better) and I received 298 replies in 8 days, about half from women who were model material. I challenged them (AW) directly with a very searing email. All complaints go through their general manager, Danny-Boy, who is the most volatile (I'm guessing alcoholic) individual I've ever heard from or about. If you complain, he will tear you a new asshole. He's that level of person; that's how they do PR. Very refined, hah hah. He canceled my account in retaliation, but because of my alluding to filing complaints of internet fraud with the FBI, as well as flooding the forums with bad PR about AW, I ended up having $158 refunded to my credit card - everything I had spent with them. In the process I did get the postal address of one woman I was writing to. I contacted 3 other agencies in Voronezh, trying to get them to track her down and get an email forwarding system set up. I succeeded in doing this. Because she came from Anastasia Web and was just too beautiful to be true, I still didn't believe she was real. So I asked her for a very specific photo - light blue top, white pants, left hand on the right shoulder - something she couldn't possibly have taken before. She did this (which surprised the hell out of me) and pretty much laid to rest any more doubts. So I at least found one woman from Anastasia Web who was real; our letters have continued for two months completely separate from AW and things get better with each letter. She sent me more photos and a Valentine's Day card via postal mail which I received yesterday. So what I would recommend is, AW can be the ultimate resource for establishing initial contact, but like the other guy said (sorry but I can't see his name from the screen I'm writing on) get her postal address in the very first letter and then contact other agencies in her city to see if they can establish email and translation with her. But be careful here as well - agencies are big money in Russia and you'll find cities where every agency is controlled by the same person. It borders on organized crime, if it isn't that flat out. AW casts a wide net and controls a lot of agencies. Try what I did - get a photo where you specify the clothes and the pose. The more you look outside the established system, the better off you'll be. Think outside the box and get creative.
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Patrick
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posted on 02-11-2003 at 12:47 |
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Best fairs to Ukraine
I'm searching for the best fares from the East coast of US to Ukraine, preferably Dnepropetrovsk. Anyone?
thanks!
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larisa
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posted on 03-11-2003 at 12:50 |
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Hi John,
You are wary of being scammed by 'anastasia',aren't you? If you are serious about finding a lady and you have doubts in 'anastasia' why not to visit other dating or marriage agencies which offer special service such as Gold Membership providing with a personal advisor. You can browse different web sites learning about women and select those who you like.Personal advisor can help you with advice which of the ladies are the most suitable to you. She can give you personal characteristic of the ladies as she knows them personally.You 'll avoid of scamming.You can look for services of marriage agencies that have web cam in the office like www.lovemage.com. The web cam is www.lovemage info. You can watch them working in the office, and make sure that the women are real. You can ask a girl who you’d like to communicate with to come to the office, then you'll see if she is real .You can even ask her using ICQ of managers to wave you, to smile to you.
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larisa
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posted on 03-11-2003 at 13:21 |
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According to the latest information, there are some agencies which publish photos of women who never applied to them or even more who are not available. What do they do this for? The answer is rather simple.The aim of such agencies is to get money from men. Usually such agencies sell women's addresses and they do not have any information about these women. You correspond with a woman for a while, and then you fall in love with her and decide to meet with her. For some objective reasons you are supposed to meet in a place somewhere away from her residence (in your country or in the cities of Europe). She asks you to sponsor her travel arrangements. You send her money and then you kiss the money good-bye. It's the last time you hear from her. You can look for services of marriage agencies that have web cam in the office like www.lovemage.com. The web cam is www.lovemage info. You can watch them working in the office, and make sure that the women are real. You can ask a girl who you’d like to communicate with to come to the office, then you'll see if she is real .You can even ask her using ICQ of managers to wave you, to smile to you.
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larisa
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posted on 03-12-2003 at 08:36 |
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paulina
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posted on 03-30-2003 at 20:50 |
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I think that it is definetly not worth it to work with an agency that charges you for openining and sending letters. You may consider paying for posting your profile and/or for buying addresses of the ladies you want to write to if the agency is reputable but definetly not for just reading letters whose origin you can't guess.
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paulina
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posted on 03-30-2003 at 20:55 |
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well, isn't it one of the reasons you guys look for a Russian girl to start with? I agree that most girls posted on dating websites look amazingly great and there are a few good reasons for it:
1. Russian and Ukranian women are truly beautiful.
2. The most beautiful ladies feel like they definetly deserve better than getting bad Russian husbands and continuing to live in a poor country. They feel like they have the most chance to make a better match. You guys are getting "creme de la creme" of the FSU ladies. How lucky!!!
3. Many of those photographs are professional "glamor shots". Not to say that these women are not beautiful but may be they are a bit "more real" looking once you actually meet them. If you are writing to someone for a while, ask them to send you some regular pictures taken in real life. You will be able to see your lady as she really is.
And remember, that beauty is only skin deep anyway. There are many other redeeming qualities these ladies posess. They are usually also smart, educated, independent and sincere.
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paulina
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posted on 03-30-2003 at 20:59 |
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try again!
Larry,
Don't tell me that this is your first love dissapointment? Everyone has those. Learn from it and try again! Good luck!
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Ann
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posted on 04-08-2003 at 17:02 |
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Wow... what a scam
:o This is what I don't see very often... Those girl who posted the picture of "herself" took it in the Ukrainian magazine for women. I live in Ukraine myself and I see this model very often... she's Miss Ukraine 1998 or something like that.
This is not her, that's for sure.
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Ophelia
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posted on 04-22-2003 at 01:40 |
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I spent three years in the States and then I visited my home town. I was shocked to see so many stunning girls around. Mostly because my native town is a students town and girls come from other cities to study. But one would not find that many attractive males. I can't figure it out myself.
In the States however men are rather attractive, and one could meet couples when he is a better looking than her (which is practically impossible in Russia) I agree with Paulina that physical beauty is only one of the factors we should consider. Beauty fades, personality stays.
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Ophelia
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posted on 04-22-2003 at 01:41 |
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Great Forum!
But it lacks participants. Something should be done about it!
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SteveWilliams
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Reply to accusations about With Love From Voronezh
Yet again I meet Chris on a 'scam site'. It seems that this particular gentleman loves to portray himself as a victim. If you know his life story, as unfortunately I do, then you might understand this need...he never felt shy to tell me all about his emotional scars from his childhood and how his ex-wife left him in such a state.
On the Russian Women Guide Chris attacked me in a similar manner. I was however able to defend myself using facts and his own words. Others jumped to my defence including guys that have actually been here to Voronezh with us.
In this forum he seems to have toned down his accusations to a basic....when I was ready to travel, the girls disappeared. This of course is a very serious accusation as it implies that the girls in our agency are not real. The facts are that Chris was not ready to travel, he was waiting for his fortune to roll in from a spam e-mail programme he was launching. The very simple truth is that when one women saw what he was writing, she decided that he was not the type of man that she wanted to meet.
All seemed to be going OK, then he wrote about issues such as the complexes that his abusive mother had left him with. He disclosed that he was once an alcoholic and lived out of his car...I believe you Americans would describe such a person as a 'bum'. Rather unsurprisingly one of these women decided that this was enough information to make her choice....no thanks.
The other one continued with him for a while, but I was becoming concerned about her attitude (I live here in Voronezh now and could see with my own eyes the way she was behaving) It all came to a head when Chris wanted to buy her a present for her birthday, but I advised him against it as I was becoming convinced that her motives were suspect. I removed her from my site for this reason, she was by the way my most popular female client. Mr Malcheski thanked me for this by the way, for looking out for his interests instead of letting things go unchecked.
Mr Malcheski is fond of quoting enormous delays in letters. The first letters he wrote were delayed.... I was driving from the UK to Voronezh and moving my family lock stock to Russia. We are a very small and personal agency, the disadvantage of this is that when I make a life changing move, for a few days things were put on hold. Chris also doesn't seem to recognise that we do not work 7 days a week as he would like and a letter sent on a Friday night from the States cannot be counted as being received on a Friday in Russia... a little thing called a time difference exists Mr Malcheski.
My trip to Latvia to renew my visa in no way limited the reply as Mr Malcheski would have you believe....yes, I did not answer his inane e-mails about his grief at losing his pet, I did not answer his e-mail about his plans for world domination of the spamming market with his new programmes...but letters were sent from women and from men too..... Mr Malcheski seems to think that he should have my undivided attention for his personal problems... sorry but I have a life thank you !!
I would encourage anyone seeing this post to go to the Russian Women Guide where the in depth discussion and a number of posts are available. The moderators, after seeing all the accusations and my defence, took the post out of the scam section as even they realise it was not so.
Mr Malcheski had his money refunded as it was me that took off the client he was writing to, he was not out of pocket. We did out translation work as we were paid for, but I felt bad that it had ended in such a way and I gave him back his money, for which he said he was grateful.
Its very frustrating for me to see this AGAIN. He does not mention the problems he had with another agency, Anastasiweb, that I helped him with. I tracked down the real telephone number and address of a women he was writing to from Voronezh...at my own expense despite his assurances that he would cover the costs…which he never did. The constant letters to me personally about complete drivel and nonsense were distracting and a complete waste of my time... but I answered him as he seemed like a lonely guy with some major issues.
But because one guy is a fruitcake, he can accuse me of running a scam when I try the best I can to run an honest and reputable agency....isn't that what you guys want? If not you can all go to Anastasiaweb and deal with their attitude towards clients. One guy with an axe to grind can accuse me and who do you all believe?
What type of man is my accuser? In his last communication with me he told me that he would bring a girl from Russia to the US on a K-1 eventually, but keep a number of other relationships going as a 'back-up' right up until his wedding day. What a charming person !!!!
I am just glad that me clients saw this before they became the woman that was being lied to.
I am sorry that Mr Malcheski feels aggrieved, but he would feel this way with anything that does not go as he wants. He is not the perfect man as he sees himself, but he cannot understand that a woman may just decide that he is not for her, and is too polite to say....'your a head-case go away !!!!' instead she lets him down gently.... what a terrible thing !!!!!!!!!!
Anyone who wants to contact me directly can do so at wlfvoronezh@vsnab.ru and I will discuss their concerns in detail. I can provide recommendations from men that have actually been here themselves if anyone wishes. But just because one guy screams SCAM !!!, don't automatically believe it, there are two sides to every story.
Steve Williams
With Love From Voronezh
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msmiley
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posted on 05-10-2003 at 20:27 |
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Important Tips The Marriage Agencies Never Tell You
I want to share with you information that the Russian
marriage agencies don't tell you on their web sites.
Many of the dating agencies tout, how young Russian
women are so family oriented and will make wonderful
wives and family partners.
This causes many foreign men to dream about the perfect
family! A family that they have already built up in
their own imagination.
Every man who has seen the Russian dating agency ads
and believes in them completely, has built up in his mind,
and has created his own fantasy, of what a future family
with a Russian women, will be.
If the man's dreams are based on a foundation the
marriage agency has constructed and no on a healthy
dose of common sense, then, most likely the relationship
is at great risk of disappointment and inevitable,
failure
The dating services help bring you together, they
do not help you to stay together !
It is not their job to make your relationship last,
so they don't bother to warn you of the many pitfalls
that can become you and destroy your marriage.
What do you expect of your new Russian bride
and what do you really know about her??
I want to give you an example how you can read into the
marriage agency advertising using a critical eye and
common sense.
Try this:
Go to any marriage dating agency and following their
procedure to join.
Look at Russian women from 21 to 25 years old..
Pay close attention to what these women have written
in their bio s..
Do you see anything in common???
Of course you do..it is very obvious !
Ninety percent if not more of these women have written
that they have a bachelor degree. They just finished or
going to finish their educational requirements.
Ask yourself, WHY?
If all the dating agencies are telling you that all
Russian women are very family oriented and in most
cases live to serve their husband and children,
why would they spend 10 years in school and from 4-7
years at the university, getting a degree ?
Why would these young women spend the biggest part
of their young life studying so hard if they are so
family oriented ?
Why not, instead, go take domestic courses such as
cooking and sewing and child rearing?
Do these women, who have spent the better part of
their young lives dedicated to getting a higher
education, look as women who are preparing themselves
to be housewives and mothers and not have a
professional career???
Yeap...it is look little bit like the opposite ...
if not more...
Here is another question:
Compared to the United States, how many children
are in the average Russian family?
Is it not unusual to see in the average American
family at least three children. The statistical
average is 2.7 children per family. How you get a 7/10th
of child I don t know, but that is the statistic!
In Russia, to see a family with three children would
be quite a shock, absolutely! It is even unusual to
see a Russian family with two children.
When I just came to USA, I was surprised how many
pregnant women I saw on the streets!
In Russia it is very seldom that you will see a pregnant
woman in public. For the last few generations, Russian
couple produce only one child.
By the way, it is a very big problem in Russia.
That each couple produces only one child, does not
allow the population to grow but rather, stagnate.
To be honest, it is not only a problem for Russia,
but for all European countries.
Are you wondering why most Russian couples have only
one child if Russian women are so extremely family
oriented as the dating agencies promise you?
Why don't they want to have more children?
The reason is not because of a difficult economical
situation, in fact you can see many countries that
have much more difficult economic situations and
these poor families have 5-10 children.
In Russia, even wealthy families have only one child.
I can give you many more examples of what the dating
agencies tell you and what you can see on your own.
Be smart enough to learn about the culture of your
future wife's country and about the circumstances
that she grew up in, before you marry her.
It can prevent you from making many mistakes and
help you to build a happy family with an Russian woman.
Marina Smiley is the author of "Your Russian Bride-
The Shocking Truth"
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Couple busted running russian women scam
Here is another example of why you should never send money, never ever, I wish every one would wise up and stop being so foolish.
A women who really likes you will not ask you to send money, nor can she a get a visa if you do send money. If a women ask you to send money this is a big red flag, don't let lust make you blind! If you really want to meet a women go on a group tour with a good reputable company this is the easiest and fastest way to really meet high quality sincere women.
By Alex Roth
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
May 17, 2003
A husband and wife have been indicted in San Diego federal court on charges of using the Internet to sucker lovelorn men into shelling out money for prospective Russian wives and girlfriends who didn't exist.
The case was one of several cited by Attorney General John Ashcroft in a Washington, D.C., news conference yesterday to announce a crackdown on Internet scams.
Ashcroft said federal authorities have charged 135 people with Internet scams in recent months. The crimes range from conducting bogus auctions to setting up fake banking Web sites to collect account numbers.
In the San Diego case, a San Bernardino County couple was arrested earlier this week on charges of using the Internet to pose as Russian women seeking companionship. These fake women would strike up online romances with unsuspecting men and then ask for financial help to travel to the United States to meet them, according a federal indictment issued May 7.
Robert McCoy, 39, and Anna Grountovaia, 31, both of Rancho Cucamonga pleaded not guilty Tuesday in San Diego federal court to wire fraud and other charges. Both are in federal custody here.
Authorities say the couple bilked men around the country, including at least four in San Diego County, out of $600,000 to $1 million.
The U.S. Attorney's Office in San Diego wouldn't comment about the case yesterday. McCoy's lawyer didn't return a phone call seeking comment; Grountovaia's lawyer couldn't be located.
A hearing is scheduled Tuesday to decide whether the couple should remain in custody and, if so, what the bail should be.
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Better Buisiness Beauru is a SCAM
TextText:mad:Don't trust anything you read by the the BBB...a member must pay to join that is all, if you complain they may revoke the paid membership to the beauru but thats the extent of the hand slap on the wrist. The Postmaster General or FCC have more jurisdiction than the BBB.
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tbochene
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SEX AND THE FOREIGN WOMAN
Howdy boys- my name is Tony Bochene. I'm the webmaster of this page. I'm also an author and have written a book about the international romance business. You can check it out at
foreignbrideguide.com.
I've been to Russia many times and am happily married to a lovely Russian gal for three years now. I wrote the book and set up several websites to help the new guys because there is so much mis-information out there about the foreign ladies and how this whole process works.
One of the most common topics that comes up is the sex. It's a normal question when the guys are talking. So with all due respect- and hoping you will show the same respect to these wonderful ladies- I'd like to open the discussion.
How do the foreign ladies feel about sex with a man they just met?
Are they any different than American girls?
Can you trust them to be loyal?
What about prostitution in Russia?
Any questions? Let the discussion begin.
Of course anything distasteful or disrespectful will be deleted so if you're a geek or weirdo don't bother.
Tony B.
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tbochene
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WHY GO? CAN'T SHE COME HERE?
Hello again gentlemen- I'm Tony Bochene the webmaster of this site. This si one the most common questions that comes up when the guys start thinking about a tour. To me it's interesting that anyone would be afraid of a trip overseas. IS it fear or is it laziness?
I think it's a little of both but more of the laziness. Americans in general are into instant gratification, it's programmed into our society. Everything is designed to be quick easy fun... but usually isn't. That attitude is an advertising scam and too many of us fall for it.
So enter the international romance dating business. many guys would like to think they can just sit in their apartment at three in the morning and pick out a girl they like send her a few bucks and she'll appear on their door step. Sorry boys it just doesn't work like that, and if it did you wouldn't appreciate the woman and wouldn't try very hard at the relationship. Right? As soon as things got tough you'd be thinking; "Hey I if she gives me any crap I can just get out the ole credit card and "buy" another girl."
I think you see where I'm going with this. This is something different, something new and exciting that may change your life forever if you have the time and patience to meet the right girl.
But what about the money?
Oh co'mon. That computer you are using to surf the net in search of the perfect woman cost more than a trip. So what are you waiting for? How long do you live your life in lonely silence?
Here is the bottom line and I hope you will listen because most of the successful scams are based on your laziness... WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS, THE WOMEN CAN NOT COME HERE TO SEE YOU. THEY CAN NOT GET A VISA NO MATTER WHAT THEY TELL YOU. THE ONES WHO CLAIM THEY CAN GET A VISA WANT YOU TO SEND THEM MONEY FIRST AND THAT IS THE LAST YOU WILL HEAR OF THEM OR YOUR MONEY. THE HONEST LADIES DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME.
THE ONLY WAY IS FOR YOU TO GO TO THEM. IT'S A GREAT EXPERIENCE, IT'S FUN, IT'S EXCITING, AND IT WORKS. OVER TEN THOUSAND MEN A YEAR GO OVERSEAS AND FIND A GOOD WOMAN!
SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THIS WORKS, I'M HERE TO HELP. AND I'LL ALWAYS TELL IT TO YOU STRAIGHT.
SINCERELY
TONY B.
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Jessy
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you got to be kidding!
Hi Rubi,
I can not believe you would put Anastasia in the same category as Elena's models.
Anastasia web scam has had more bad talk about it then any agency I have seen.
Do you read this forum?
Jim
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John Adams
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Should have taken a group tour!
Below is an actual E-mail from one of our clients who travelled half-way around the world to meet just one woman, something we try to discourage at A Foreign Affair.
John,
I really wish I had taken your advice about the tour. I keep thinking that maybe I’m getting wiser as I get older, then something like my trip to Riga happens, and all I have left is another lesson learned the hard way. I just want to kick myself. I thought I could trust my wits, instinct and the woman I went to visit. I learned that I was out of my league on this one, and feel very naive.
I’m thinking ahead now, and hopefully I can join a tour within a year. I have to save money and vacation time.
Ashley
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ken
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more information
For Immediate Release
May 16, 2003 San Diego Press Office
9797 Aero Drive
San Diego, California 92123
Tel: 858-499-7915
Fax: 858-499-7991
Internet Dating Scam Dismantled
San Diego, California - John R. Kingston, Acting Special Agent in Charge, San Diego Division of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, today announces the arrests of two individuals on charges of Conspiracy and Wire Fraud.
Robert L. McCoy, born January 8, 1964, and his wife, Anna V. Grountovaia, born October 12, 1971, were arrested at 6:00 a.m. on Tuesday, May 13, 2003, without incident at their home in Rancho Cucamonga, California. Their arrest was pursuant to an indictment filed by a Federal Grand Jury for operating a fraudulent Russian dating scheme via the Internet.
The arrests marked the culmination of an investigation conducted by the FBI, in coordination with the U. S. Postal Inspection Service, the U. S. Secret Service, the Internet Fraud Complaint Center, the National White Collar Crime Center, the Federal Trade Commission, and the Department of Justice.
Initiated in January of 2002 by the FBI's Cyber Crime Squad in San Diego, the investigation began after an individual reported he had been defrauded over the Internet. The victim informed the FBI that he had been induced to wire thousands of dollars to an agency which offered to expedite the travel of a Russian woman he had developed a relationship with over the Internet.
The indictment alleges that McCoy and Grountavaia posed as Russian women under various names and posted on-line ads seeking a serious relationship with men. At times, McCoy and Grountavaia would also respond to on-line ads of other men in order to induce them into developing on-line relationships. After the initial contact was established, McCoy and Grountavaia would then send e-mails and contact the victims by telephone to entice the victims into wiring monies to Russia.
In these communications, the indictment alleges that McCoy and Grountavaia, posing as a Russian woman, would claim to belong to an 'agency' that could help facilitate a visit to the victim's home country. Under the guise of this Russian agency, the indictment further alleges that McCoy and Grountavaia sent additional e-mails to the victims, instructing them to wire sums ranging from $1,790 to $1,850, so the agency could process flight arrangements, obtain visas, and secure placements for the Russian woman in student exchange programs. After the victims wired the money, believing the Russian woman would soon arrive, McCoy and Grountavaia would then cease all contact with the victims.
After processing at the FBI Building in San Diego, California, both McCoy and Grountavaia were arraigned before United States Magistrate Judge Louisa S. Porter on Tuesday, May 13, 2003. The case has been assigned to United States District Court Judge John S. Rhodes for trial.
If convicted, McCoy and Grountavaia face a maximum penalty of five years incarceration and a $250,000 fine on charges of Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud and twenty years incarceration and another $250,000 fine on the charges of Wire Fraud.
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A Foreign Affair June Kharkov tour, report by Tim S.
Hello,
Our first Kharkov tour was very successful. More than half of the group got engaged. 5! guys did not want to leave and extended their stay for another 4-7 days.
By all means we had some minor problems.
The bus from the airport was without air conditioner.
Manager in the restaurant tried to steal champagne. So we needed to talk to him to get what we paid for.
Michael gave us VCR to show the clients Bill Livingston film on fiancee visa process. But the tape was in NTSC standard. It take us a day to find a place and convert the tape. Next day we showed it to client and they learned very useful information.
As for the rest everything was smooth. We had about 10 ex-tour clients and some of them said Kharkov socials were the best they ever attended.
We had 170 women at the first social. And it was good start. At the second social we had slightly less - about 150 women. As for the last one - it was the best. I invited 20 extra women from "Belle" agency (our new affiliate in Kharkov) and we had close to 200 women.
The interpreters were very helpful and we did not have any serious problems with them. All of them loved to work with us and looking forward for next tour. Anyway I would like to remove a couple of interpreters from the list because of thir English skills.
I saw the group off today and we are leaving to St.Petersburg with Masha tomorrow early in the morning.
Thanks, Tim.
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tbochene
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THE MOST POPULAR RUSSIAN SCAM
My name is Tony Bochene. I am the webmaster of this site, and author of THE FOREIGN BRIDE GUIDE. WELCOME!
I wanted to warn everyone about some of the newest scams that involve Russian ladies and Russian marriage agencies. Here is how it goes. A site offers to post your information for "FREE!"
Then just like magic within a few days you begin to get dozens of e-mails including photos. The snag is you have to pay to open the e-mail. Many times all you get is a form letter. Not all of these are total rip-offs but most are. First of all there is maybe one computer for every hundred Russians. So how do all these girls get an e-mail address? Next most Russians are working overtime just to break even, so how do the girls find the time to write e-mails?
Truthfully you don't even know if thses girls are girls, or if they even exist. One operation I know of is a Russian boiler room with a paid staff that spends all day answering e-mails. They use a standard format; "All I'm looking for is a good honest man, I'm a sincere loving woman.... and if you send me $1,200 I'll get my own visa and come to visit you."
They are professional letter writers, one of them is actually a man. They use a phoney photo and not only do they get you for the charge to open the e-mail but they try to get you to send more money through the mail.
Here is the bottom line boys; these compaines are playing off the fact that Americans are looking for easy instant gratification and hoping they can just whip out their credit card pick out a girl and she will magically appear on the door step. Sorry but it just doesn't work like that. It takes time and patience some serious effort on your part and you have to go there to meet her. Do not trust any girl who claims she can buy a visa, or already has her own and all you need to do is send plane fare. Do not pay to open e-mails unless you are sure this a real girl sponsored by a real company.
You have to go there to meet the ladies. There is no other way. Do not go to Russia or any other country just to meet one woman. Go on an organized tour and meet lots of ladies and make sure they are real. Stick with a reputable well known tour company, go with a group of other guys and do it right. Best of luck!
Tony B.
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tbochene
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HOW TO AVOID THE SCAMS
Hello gentlemen: My name is Tony Bochene, I'm the moderator of this site. I'm been to Russia many times, am happily married to a Russian gal, and I've written a small book called the "Foreign Bride Travel Guide." For more free, honest and very helpful info please contact our other sites foreignbrideguide.com
and marriageserices.org
Here is the bottom line on most the scams from Russia- They play on the fact that Americans are a bit lazy and into instant gratification, and also that we assume the rest of the world lives their lives through e-mail as we do.
FACT- there is only one computer for every hundred Russians. So be very wary of a site where ALL the girls magically have their own e-mail.
FACT- Most the Russian ladies have to hold down two jobs just to stay in poverty, so where do they get the time to sit at a computer, scanning all these sexy bathing suit photos and answering a hundred e-mails a day?
FACT- Russians in general are much less materialistic and have more personal pride than we do, so a woman who asks you for ANY money is an immediate suspect. Also be very careful with the perfect model types posed in a very skimpy bathing suit. That's what we fishermen refer to as "bait."
FACT- 99.9% of single Russian women CAN NOT get a visitation visa, no matter what they tell you. Fiancee visa is the only way. You have to go there to meet them first.
FACT- Russian ladies are very romantic and most serious girls would prefer a letter and nice photo for the first contact because it is something that you touched.
Start your contacts with good old fashion letter writing campaign and stick with a good reputable American company for your addresses. Right now there are only two trusted reputable companies in the tour and address business. A Foreign Affair, and European Connections. Think in terms of volume for the first contact, meaning send lots of letters, to get only a few responses. Read the letter writing tips provided in my book and on other sites. The e-mail connection will get better but right now, thanks to shady companies who edit contact info and force you to correspond within their "system"it is the most popular and damaging scam.
AVOID ANYTHING THAT SEEMS QUICK AND EASY, AND DON'T SEND MONEY. AND REMEMBER RIGHT NOW E-MAIL IS THE BIGGEST SOURCE OF SCAMS. THE SERIOUS GIRLS WILL TAKE THE TIME TO ANSWER YOUR LETTER AND IT WILL PROBABLY BE HAND WRITTEN.
THE SCAM ARTISTS WILL JUST HIT THE "E-MAIL TO ALL" BUTTON ON THEIR COMPUTER. AND HOPE YOU ARE LAZY ENOUGH TO TAKE THE BAIT.
Good luck and keep talking.
Sincerely Tony B.
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jakeob
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help
Can i just get a flight to russia and start over there
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jakeob
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to john adams
So wot was she like? could not find any more girls while you were there.Do you think its possible to find your own conntacts in russia by walking to a dating agency ...... jakeob
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jakeob
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Can i just fly to russia and look for girls
Can i walk into an agency in russia and say lets look at your girls and pay a fee?
Who in the right mind sends Ł 800 pound up front to god nows who,any place in the world. then has a week off work flys to russia hopeing there cash has done some good.......neil
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Glenn
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Scam alert for http://www.russian-women-topsites.com/pretty-russian-women.htm
Paid the basic price and requested one e-mail. Company gave me an address for a girl in aother province, totally different name.
Any attempt to clarify the situation is met with a URL requesting...you guessed it...more money to "fix the problem"
Avoid at all costs.
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Equitis
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Visa Processing Times.
Hello Everyone,
I am going through the unnecessarily slow process of bringing my fiance to the U.S. Some people have gotten together and formed a Visa Advocacy Group.To try to get them to approve family(k-visas) quicker then they are doing now.
The group has had some success in improving texas times.If you are about to,or are going through the visa process please check out this site:
http://pub99.ezboard.com/bk1advocacygroup
Also if you have time check out the site I started for my lady:
http://www.geocities.com/sapitk/
Thanks,
Rolf
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tzerfas
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Good sites.
Does anyone have info on Elena Petrova, who runs the
Russian Brides Cyber Guide website? Is this a good site or not?
Thanks.
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Lorenzo 1950
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First Post
Hi I am new and I wanted to ask if it is possible to find a travel companion the first time I visit the FSU? I want to meet a friend in the Ukraine and have a backup plan too. It seems like a good idea to travel with someone and to be able to contact them if things go awry. Thanks for the help. This is my first post and I will try not to go overboard with posting too much.
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tbochene
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Hello jake- Yes of course you can just fly anywhere you want and chase the women, if that's all you want to do is chase, and you don't care much about the selection. Actually you can go to most any city in the world and hang out in the subway.
However their are some obvious problems. Do you know your way to the subway? Do you speak the language? Do you know local customs? Go to a muslim country and chase their women and you might end up dead and buried in a sand dune.
The point being, the only way to bring a girl home is to file for a visa to your country, and then marry her to keep her. MArriage is a big decision and should envlove some planning and forethought and that is best accomplished , usually through a good reputable tour company. Going with a group helps keep you focused and grounded. If you doubt me read the guy in the next post under yours "Should have gone on a tour." Of let me tell you some stories about guys who have tried to go it alone.
Sincerely Tony B.
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Lorenzo 1950
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Nervous
I am very nervous now because I am planning a trip to Riga on July 27 to meet one lady. Hopefully my backup plan will work and if stranded I will stay close to the Riga Hotel. Latvia is a beautiful country from what I have seen.
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tbochene
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THREE YEARS WITH A RUSSIAN WOMAN
THREE YEARS WITH A RUSSIAN WOMAN
BRINGING HER HOME
By Tony Bochene
foreignbrideguide.com
My lovely Russian wife Lena and I just had our two year anniversary last week and it seemed as good a time as any to reflect. I’m not blowing any smoke here guys, to put it quite simply my whole life has changed as a result of my AFA tours to Russia and meeting this wonderful lady; Elena Vasilivna Altokhova Bochene. Food has more flavor, flowers more color, and I swear I hear music that I never heard before. Ok so maybe that’s our new doorbell, but it’s love, I’m sure of it. As simple and easy as that. And it’s a wonderful thing.
I have to be honest with you though, for some of us the beginning is not quite so simple and easy. I had to kiss a lot of frogs to finally meet my princess Elena. Yes they were beautiful frogs but they just weren’t the right ones, so I kept looking until I found her. Even still Lena and I had a bit of a bumpy road in those first few months after she arrived in the U.S. She’d had a rough life, been married before, and was not so trusting of men. Which I understood because I’d been married before and was not so trusting of women. Truthfully there were several occasions during the second month of her stay when I walked around the house with a return plane ticket in my back pocket seriously doubting that we would make it through another day. Patience is not always one of my virtues, I admit that, but I really liked this woman. A lot. She was creative and talented, insightful, had an incredible animated sense of humor, and was not prone to pouting the small things. To top it off she had a good strong virtuous character that would embarrass General Patton. (She caught me eating a handful of cashews in Safeway one time and gave me a serious lecture about stealing.) Honestly I was falling in love with her rapidly and didn’t want her to leave. Down deep I suspected I was the problem, was missing something or doing something wrong, but for the life of me I couldn’t figure out what it was. And for some reason she couldn’t find the right words to tell me.
I’m not rich, nor do I have any desire to be so, but I live a reasonably comfortable life. Have a nice cozy house, reliable transportation, a little extra spending money and I’m self employed. I work at home and never more than twenty or so hours a week, meaning I would have lots of time to spend with my new Russian lady to help her adjust. Before she came I fixed up my small cabin with some feminine touches and discarded any evidence of past females so she would feel special and comfortable in her new home. As well I found a Russian movie and book store and several small grocery stores that favored the Russian diet.
The first month when Lena got here was great. I’m a photojournalist- outdoor writer and I had a contract to write a mountainbike guide book for northern California. I thought she’d enjoy traveling around her state a little, which she did, and it would give us time to get to know each other. After that first month though she didn’t seem very happy, I couldn’t figure out why and I was starting to take it personally. I’d worked very hard to pay for my trips to Russia to find her and bring her here. Gave her a nice home to live in, good healthy food, some new sports equipment, connected her with some Russian folks who lived in my small town, and set up an e-mail connection with her best friend back in Russia. On top of that she didn’t have to work if she didn’t want to and could enjoy some of her new hobbies. What else could any man do? Still she was obviously unhappy and often talked of going back to Russia. It was making me crazy.
It took many conversations, several heated arguments, and one or two threats; "OK FINE. Pack your bags and go home if you don’t like it here." Finally, with lots of Lena’s help, we worked it out, because our love and desire to be together was stronger than our differences. Turns out, in typical American style I’d assumed that because she had practically nothing in Russia, material things would contribute to her happiness here. As well I guess secretly I was thinking these things would keep her busy, so I wouldn’t lose too much time from my work. What a bonehead I was.
The simple truth was material possessions meant absolutely nothing to this special lady. She was in a new country full of strangers, away from her culture and friends and family, with a man she didn’t know very well. On top of that she only had thirty more days to decide if she wanted to marry this man and spend the rest of her life with him. The clock was ticking and the bottom line was- she wasn’t sure that this man really loved her.
"What?! Of course I love you. I worked very hard to bring you here and I’ve given you all this stuff and…."
That was it. She didn’t want my stuff, she wanted me. With this new revelation, that all she really wanted was love, I let go of some of myself and caved in like a soft boiled egg. Showered her with affection, patience, understanding and love. Thinking; You want me, you got me. I’m yours baby. From that point on, it was almost easy.
In her typical and candid insightful style Lena summed it up like this. "I’ve seen many Americans since I’ve been here, with all their toys and things, and many of them still aren’t very happy. Some of them don’t even know why they aren’t happy. In Russia all we have is each other, so we know how to love. Maybe this is something we can teach Americans?"
Maybe so. She sure taught me.
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tbochene
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OH NO, BETTER HIDE YOUR WALLET-YOU'VE GOT MAIL!
OH NO! BETTER HIDE YOUR WALLET.
YOU’VE GOT MAIL!
By Tony Bochene
Just as you think you’ve got all the scams wired, they come up with a new one. Well that’s free-enterprise pal and believe me the Russians are learning quick. But before we get into this, especially for the benefit of the newcomers, I’d like to make a few quick comments about the whole "scam" thing. It’s still my belief that most the foreign ladies advertise themselves on the internet with good honest intentions of finding a man to spend their life with. But once they put that first picture online, especially if they are young and sexy, they magically appear on hundreds of other web sites. And many, if not most, of these shady operations use these girls photos, without their permission, as bait to lure you into paid e-mail scams, or con you out of some big cash by claiming the girls can get their own visa is you will just send them whatever you have in your savings account. Just like any venture where money is involved with the international romance business there is the opportunity for fraud or misrepresentation. That’s just human nature. Even more so with this industry because emotions are envolved and the companies working this scam know exactly what the lonely man wants to hear. "All I want is a good man to take care of and if he will just send me a few thousand dollars I will be his loyal housewife and sex slave forever." Unfortunately I think a lot of guys bring this misery on themselves by thinking, or at least hoping, their money gives them some power or edge over a woman from a poor third world country, and that they can buy a relationship. Big mistake. Still it is the man’s money at risk, so it’s up to him to be aware, pay attention, keep his eyes open and his feet firmly planted on the ground. And not do anything over there that he wouldn’t do here. Like send money to a woman he doesn’t know.
It’s a fairly simple equation; NO MONEY= NO FRAUD.
So Here’s how the latest scam works. The guy has his profile, photo, and e-mail address, posted on the internet very similar to what the girls are doing now. Within a few days, just like magic, he suddenly begins to get all these e-mails from foreign women. Guess what, they’re all beautiful young sexy women. The snag is he has to pay to open the e-mails. Not a big deal right? After all you have to pay for addresses not knowing if it’s a good active address or not and you pour out your heart in a mass produced form letter, then wear out your tongue licking envelopes and only get two responses. And both are over forty with three kids. Boy that really sucks, you’re thinking. I could have more fun than this waiting in line at DMV.
So along comes this fast easy electronic way to make contact with foreign women. Hey, you can answer the magic e-mails from your computer at work on company time. And you can just charge it on your credit card. And most important, you don’t have to work at it, just make the girls come to you. Now we’re talkin. This mail order bride thing is looking better all the time.
Have they got the average American guy figured out or what? The sad thing is a lot of fellas are actually falling for this. Not only paying to open the magic e-mail but falling in lust and going over there to meet a woman who doesn’t exist. To realize the absurdity of this tactic lets take a few simple facts into consideration using Russia as a classic example. Number one; There is only one computer for every hundred Russians and most of those don’t work very well. Number two; Most Russian women are working two jobs just to stay in debt. So The obvious questions you should be asking are- Where are all these girls getting their very own e-mail address? If they have their own e-mail does that mean they have instant contact with ten million other guys surfing the net? And, where are they finding the time to write all these e-mails?
Oh I’m sorry, didn’t mean to burst your balloon. Did you think YOU were the only one getting the e-mail and sexy photo from Irina? Think again. The guys on the space shuttle are probably "logging-on" right now.
The frightening, and slightly humorous answer, as long as you aren’t a victim of course, is simple. The girls are getting paid to open the e-mail, push all your erotic buttons, and squeeze you for as much as they can get. Anything over and above the e-mail charge, like money for English lessons or granny’s operation, or a $1,200 voo-doo visitation visa, they get to keep.
A recent disturbing overseas conversation with a young Russian gal from St. Petersburg, who prefers to remain anonymous because she’s making a bunch of money, confirmed what many of us already suspected. She works for a Russian boiler-room operation where all they do is answer e-mails. She claims she is paid by the e-mail and given written instructions on what American men like to hear. She is not allowed to give out her real name, photo, or any personal contact information, and all the e-mails, incoming and outgoing, are checked and edited by her boss, the owner of a Russian marriage agency. She also claims there are several old Babushkas working in the operation and, are you ready for this, a man. Yes, that’s right, a man! And she claims he makes more money than many of the women.
Ok let’s hold down the laughter for a moment and try to lend a helping hand to those poor lazy misguided souls who thought the overseas connection would be quick and easy. So how DO you know for sure if Svetlana is really Andrei? Simple. You have to go there.
How do I know this? Because that's what Idid. I made a decision NOT to spend the rest of my life alone and knew it would take a good honest woman to keep me happy. I felt that if I hadn't found that girl in my own country by the ripe age of 45 then it probably wasn't going to happen. I went to Russia on an exploratory mission to see if the ladies are real and as exciting and sexy and intelligent as everyone said they were. It was true, so I went back. Four times before I finally met my lovely wife Lena. We've been married for three years now and I can honestly say it was worth every ounce of energy and every hard earned penny I invested. But it wasn't easy, it wasn't fast and it didn't happen sitting at my desk answering e-mail.
The bottom line- you have to get off yer butt and go there. Nuff said.
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Lorenzo 1950
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Registered: 07-07-2003 Location: Baltimore, Md USA
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posted on 07-10-2003 at 17:40 |
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Hi I have found that a lot of girls have free email accounts with hotmail or yahoo and they can visit Internet Cafe's. I think we are fairly safe as long as we do not hand over any money or plan a trip without having spoken with the lady by phone and reasearched the region we are visiting. Email is not enough contact. I am sure right here in USA we have plenty of scams too. I think it is a matter of having good judgement, trust and a backup plan.
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CrazyCanuck_24
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posted on 07-11-2003 at 12:47 |
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Hello
Hello,
I stumbled across this website and I would like to know what it's all about... can anyone fill me in?
I'd appreciate it.:)
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Lorenzo 1950
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Registered: 07-07-2003 Location: Baltimore, Md USA
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posted on 07-11-2003 at 18:24 |
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Models
I have met quite a few ladies from FSU. One lady must be in her 60's and still looks very attractive. What attracts me is the beauty of the ladies inside and out. Very charming. I agree that you have to meet a number of women to find the right one but in my experience 90% of the women are beautiful so maybe that is why men can be scammed because he sees a gorgeous woman's photo and develops an instant attraction to an image. I think you have to meet the real person. Maybe not hundreds but find the ones that you have the most in common with. Are american men really that good looking? Thanks Ophelia, maybe there is hope for me. :)
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tbochene
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Registered: 06-06-2003 Location:
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posted on 07-13-2003 at 19:48 |
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CURIOUS?
Hello Steve- Thanks for taking the time to answer the accusation. I'd like to give you an opportunity to tell us about your agency. What do you do, how long in business, are the girls in your agency allowed to have direct contact with the men, do you charge for e-mail, how much? do you sell addresses? Do you do tours?
Tell us about yourself and your company. I like to see the interaction and am at the moment very impressed with a company owner who would take the time.
And of course I would invite anyone else to make HONEST objective un-emotional comments about this company. All of us involved in this industry know that when emotions are envolved the truth is not always evident. Men get hurt they want to strike back at someone.
With all the fraud it's more and more difficult to find good marriage agencies, so lets talk and see what the guys have to say.
Sincerely
Tony B.
webmaster
Sincerely
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